4/7/2022

Slot Floppies Patch

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  • NOT HAPPY JAN!!! Accidently did this to my macbook:upset: Fell off of the table due to a damn audio cable, landed right on the concrete kk4vr.
  • Patch 1.5.11 Hotfix 1. A hybrid of CPU and GPU. Limited for the costs, but essentially opens up a card slot. Floppies and hard drives can no.

The PowerBook 165 was a grayscale version of the PowerBook 165c with a 4-bit, 16-shade passive matrix display.

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The PB 165 has a 14 MB memory ceiling, although you can go beyond that by using Virtual Memory (slow and free) or RAM Doubler (faster, not free, and discontinued). Another option is RAM Charger 8.1, which offers better memory management than the Mac OS.

As with all early PowerBooks, when buying one be sure it has all the memory you need – new PB RAM is difficult to locate, especially at reasonable prices.

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Details

  • Code name: Dart LC
  • introduced 1993.08.16 at $1,970; discontinued 1994.07.18
  • requires System 7.1 (with System Enabler 131) to 7.6.1, supports Mac OS 8.1 with Born Again
  • CPU: 33 MHz 68030
  • FPU: none
  • ROM: 1 MB
  • RAM: 4 MB, expandable to 14 MB using a special 85ns pseudostatic RAM card
  • display: 9.8″ 4-bit 640 x 400 77 ppi passive matrix
  • video: 512 KB VRAM, VID-14 port, supports 8-bit external video at 512 x 384, 640 x 400, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, and 832 x 624 with video adapter
  • ADB ports: 1 port for keyboard and mouse
  • serial ports: 2 DIN-8 RS-422 ports on back of computer
  • SCSI ports: HDI30 connector on back of computer
  • Hard drive: 80 or 160 MB
  • proprietary modem slot
  • Gestalt ID: 84
  • Size (HxWxD): 2.25″ x 11.25″ x 9.3″
  • Weight: 6.8 pounds
  • power supply: M5651 – 19W, 2 amps

Online Resources

  • . Best online prices for System 6, 7.1, 7.5.x, Mac OS 7.6, 8.0, 8.1, 8.5, 9.0, 9.2.2, and other versions.
  • PowerBook 180 reincarnated, Leo Titus LeBron V, Collection Spotlight, 2009.09.01. The dead PB 180 had once been king of the PowerBook line. Thanks to a PowerBook 165 and some part swaps, it was brought back to life.
  • Mac ‘Book Power Management Adventures, Charles W Moore, ‘Book Value, 2009.05.19. If your ‘Book won’t power up, shuts down while your working, or has other power issues, resetting its internal power manager may clear things up.
  • Why You Should Partition Your Mac’s Hard Drive, Dan Knight, Mac Musings, 2008.12.11. “At the very least, it makes sense to have a second partition with a bootable version of the Mac OS, so if you have problems with your work partition, you can boot from the ’emergency’ partition to run Disk Utility and other diagnostics.”
  • Creating Classic Mac Boot Floppies in OS X, Paul Brierley, The ‘Book Beat, 2008.08.07. Yes, it is possible to create a boot floppy for the Classic Mac OS using an OS X Mac that doesn’t have Classic. Here’s how.
  • The Compressed Air Keyboard Repair, Charles W Moore, Miscellaneous Ramblings, 2008.07.24. If your keyboard isn’t working as well as it once did, blasting under the keys with compressed air may be the cure.
  • A Vintage Mac Network Can Be as Useful as a Modern One, Carl Nygren, My Turn, 2008.04.08. Old Macs can exchange data and share an Internet connection very nicely using Apple’s old LocalTalk networking.
  • Vintage Mac Networking and File Exchange, Adam Rosen, Adam’s Apple, 2007.12.19. How to network vintage Macs with modern Macs and tips on exchanging files using floppies, Zip disks, and other media.
  • Better Classic emulation, Leopard on any G3?, CardBus and Compact Flash, and more, Dan Knight, Low End Mac Mailbag, 2007.12.18. Also where to find even older versions of BBEdit Lite, more oddball Mac video connections, installing System 7 on a PowerBook with no install disks, and lockups when faking out the Leopard installer.
  • Solving Mac Startup Problems, Adam Rosen, Adam’s Apple, 2007.12.12. When your old Mac won’t boot, the most likely culprits are a dead PRAM battery or a failed (or failing) hard drive.
  • Better and Safer Surfing with Internet Explorer and the Classic Mac OS, Max Wallgren, Mac Daniel, 2007.11.06. Tips on which browsers work best with different Mac OS versions plus extra software to clean cookies and caches, detect viruses, handle downloads, etc.
  • Hacking Mac OS 7.6.1 so many Mac OS 8 apps will run, Max Wallgren, Mac Daniel, 2007.10.30. With a little ResEdit work and a second copy of your System Folder, you can run a lot of OS 8 apps with Mac OS 7.6.1.
  • Simple Macs for Simple Tasks, Tommy Thomas, Welcome to Macintosh, 2007.10.19. Long live 680×0 Macs and the classic Mac OS. For simple tasks such as writing, they can provide a great, low distraction environment.
  • Mac System 7.5.5 Can Do Anything Mac OS 7.6.1 Can, Tyler Sable, Classic Restorations, 2007.06.04. Yes, it is possible to run Internet Explorer 5.1.7 and SoundJam with System 7.5.5. You just need to have all the updates – and make one modification for SoundJam.
  • Appearance Manager Allows Internet Explorer 5.1.7 to Work with Mac OS 7.6.1, Max Wallgren, Mac Daniel, 2007.05.23. Want a fairly modern browser with an old, fast operating system? Mac OS 7.6.1 plus the Appearance Manager and Internet Explorer may be just what you want.
  • Format Any Drive for Older Macs with Patched Apple Tools, Tyler Sable, Classic Restorations, 2007.04.25. Apple HD SC Setup and Drive Setup only work with Apple branded hard drives – until you apply the patches linked to this article.
  • Making floppies and CDs for older Macs using modern Macs, Windows, and Linux PCs, Tyler Sable, Classic Restorations, 2007.03.15. Older Macs use HFS floppies and CDs. Here are the free resources you’ll need to write floppies or CDs for vintage Macs using your modern computer.
  • Getting notebook design ‘just right’, Andrew J Fishkin, The Mobile Mac, 2006.12.05. Some notebooks have just the right mix of design, quality, and features, while others fall short in one or more categories.
  • System 7 Today, advocates of Apple’s ‘orphan’ Mac OS 7.6.1, Tommy Thomas, Welcome to Macintosh, 2006.10.26. Why Mac OS 7.6.1 is far better for 68040 and PowerPC Macs than System 7.5.x.
  • 30 days of old school computing: No real hardships, Ted Hodges, Vintage Mac Living, 2006.10.11. These old black-and-white Macs are just fine for messaging, word processing, spreadsheets, scheduling, contact management, and browsing the Web.
  • 30 days of old school computing: Increasing battery life with a RAM disk, Ted Hodges, Vintage Mac Living, 2006.09.14. When using the hard drive, the old battery ran out of juice within 30 minutes, but running from a RAM disk it still has a 50% charge after half an hour.
  • 30 days of old school computing: Computing at work with a PowerBook 170, Ted Hodges, Vintage Mac Living, 2006.09.08. This vintage Mac laptop’s battery still holds a charge, and it’s a competent performer for browsing the Web, email, writing, and instant messaging.
  • Mac OS 8 and 8.1: Maximum Size, Maximum Convenience, Tyler Sable, Classic Restorations, 2006.09.11. Mac OS 8 and 8.1 add some useful new features and tools, and it can even be practical on 68030-based Macs.
  • Inside your notebook’s battery: Ordinary AA Li-Ion cells, Dan Knight, Mac Musings, 2006.09.08. That expensive battery in your notebook computer probably holds less than $30 worth of off-the-shelf AA Li-Ion batteries.
  • Compact Flash with SCSI Macs, PB 1400 CD-RW upgrade problems, and Web incompatibilities, Dan Knight, Low End Mac Mailbag, 2006.06.16. Suggested ways to use Compact Flash with vintage Macs and PowerBooks, problems getting CD-RW to work with a PowerBook 1400, and more thoughts on website incompatibilities.
  • Moving files from your new Mac to your vintage Mac, Paul Brierley, The ‘Book Beat, 2006.06.13. Old Macs use floppies; new ones don’t. Old Macs use AppleTalk; Tiger doesn’t support it. New Macs can burn CDs, but old CD drives can’t always read CD-R. So how do you move the files?
  • System 7.6.1 is perfect for many older Macs, John Martorana, That Old Mac Magic, 2006.03.24. Want the best speed from your old Mac? System 7.6.1 can give you that with a fairly small memory footprint – also helpful on older Macs.
  • System 7.5 and Mac OS 7.6: The beginning and end of an era, Tyler Sable, Classic Restorations, 2006.02.15. System 7.5 and Mac OS 7.6 introduced many new features and greater modernity while staying within reach of most early Macintosh models.
  • Web browser tips for the classic Mac OS, Nathan Thompson, Embracing Obsolescence, 2006.01.03. Tips on getting the most out of WaMCom, Mozilla, Internet Explorer, iCab, Opera, and WannaBe using the classic Mac OS.
  • Which system software is best for my vintage Mac?, Tyler Sable, Classic Restorations, 2005.11.22. Which system software works best depends to a great extent on just which Mac you have and how much RAM is installed.
  • Why you should use Mac OS 7.6 to get the most out of vintage Macs, Thomas Ahart, The Productive Mac, 2005.12.12. Although you may be able to run OS 8 or 9 on your old Mac, you’ll generally find better performance using Mac OS 7.6.
  • SCSI and FireWire Disk Modes, Paulo Rodrigues, Tangerine Fusion, 2000.11.29. How to use SCSI Disk Mode and FireWire Target Disk Mode for ultrafast file transfers.
  • Run Mac OS 8.1 on your ‘030 Mac, Charles W Moore, Applelinks, 2000.08.08. “Born Again enables certain 68030 Macs to support Mac OS 8.1.”
  • PowerBook history, Adam Robert Guha, Apple Archive, 2000.05.12. A history of portable Macs from 1989 through 1996.
  • Games for ‘030s, Brian Rumsey, Low End Mac Gaming, 2000.05.26. A look at games that run nicely on the old 68030-based Macs.
  • Recovering a stolen PowerBook, The ‘Book Page. One user’s experience.
  • Faster browsing on older Macs, Mac Online Tech Journal
  • Feel The Wrath of My PowerBook, Knave!, Philip Michaels, Macworld, 2000.09.12. “For six years, the PowerBook 165 served me well.”
  • My PowerBook 165, Ernst J. Oud. “Having been a product manager portable computing with Toshiba, the PB 165 really made me realise how bad PC compatible notebooks are.”
  • Email lists: PowerBooks, Classic Macs Digest, Vintage Macs
  • Apple TIL 14133: PowerBook 14x/16x/170/180 Q&A
  • PowerBook 165 Technical Specifications, Apple Knowledge Base Archive

Cautions

Slot Floppies Patch
  • Apple Computer considers this computer obsolete as of 2001.07.16 in the United States and 2001.07.23 in Canada. As of that date, service parts and documentation are longer be available from Apple.
  • The 100-series and 500-series PowerBooks do not provide SCSI termination power, depending on external SCSI devices to provide it. For more details, see SCSI Termination Power.
  • Serial port limited to 57.6 kbps; throughput using a 56k modem may be limited. See 56k modem page.

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Usually this is because of poor slot management.
POKE-1,(15-PEEK(-1)16)*17 instead of POKE-1,255 or POKE-1,170, etc can make it work many DSK provided that the Main-RAM is not splitted into different slots.
This issue occurs also on emulator or OCM.

Many rom files can't work on a real MSX

All cartridge ROMs work on the majority of MSXs.
The ROMs that do not work on real MSX are few rare homebrews because access to the VDP is too fast. These ROMs run on emulators or OCMs because the timing is poorly emulated.

Slot floppies patch 3

Other ROMs that don't work are nany games converted to ROMs because of poor slot management but this issue is the same on emulator or OCM.

If I download a dsk file that doesn't work on a MSX... I delete it...

This is a bad idea. You have to know the exact cause of the malfunction before erasing. And even, it is better to keep even the bad dumps because sometimes we can make them work with few change (by using another bad dump for example). The best is to note when it does not work and set it aside. I received several games that were rated as 'Bad Dump' but were okay.

Many dsk files do not work on a real MSX
These dsk files ain't MSX diskimages

There are plenty of reasons why this might fail. Cracks made for a Philips that do not work on a Sony were a common thing in the day. Trying a double side disk in a VG-8235 with a single sided drive will not work...
Try to run NOPS realmotion disks on a Turbo-R, it will not work!
Ofcourse if somebody creates a dsk file from a copy-protected disk, the copyprotection will not be correctly included in the dsk file and the software wil not work. Or worse it will give the impression of working and do some funny stuff(like XAK, if it detects an illegal copy it withholds certain items you need to advance in the game... )

Many rom files can't work on a real MSX
These ROM files ain't MSX rom files

Larger game had extra bankswitching logic in its cartridge to handle the larger roms. So if you do not correctly emulate this behavior or alter (=patch/crack) the software then this perfectly dumped roms will not run on a real MSX. If the emulator has no support for the specific logic or it guesses an incorrect mappertype then it will not work.
So possible perfect real rom files you call incorrect?

This way a MSX on PC isn't a MSX emulation, but emulations of machines that do not excist
The real MSX image is one that works on a real MSX too
If it doesn't work on a real MSX, it ain't a emulation
I try to have only REAL emulations that all work on real MSX computers

OpenMSX emulates +150 different MSX models. Which model do you exactly want to emulate?
Also if you use catapult to launch openMSX, you can easily do the same then as you do with ruMSX. Select your floppy station and then launch openMSX, it will use the dir-as-disk feature and you can read/write to your actual floppies if you want.
Or you can set up a simple bat file on your windows machine to launch MSX as you like.
Or maybe you can use the OnScreenDisplay menu of openMSX to select the drive?

If I download a dsk file that doesn't work on a MSX... I delete it... it has nothing to do with emulating MSX

I'm under the impression that you are shortsighted as to the vast amount of possible combinations of hardware there are in the MSX universe. You talk about MSX but your Youtube video's indicate that you actually talk about an unspecified MSX2 machine.

If you tell us the machine you want to emulate we can help you setup your configuration.

Oh, I forgot this important point. To emulate any of the real MSX machines you will need to find the roms for the BIOS and BASIC that came with that machine. While emulation itself is perfectly legal, spreading rom files without the permission of the copyright holders isn't. Therefore openMSX doesn't come with any of those roms for all those machines.
We provide a free (and white-room) recreation of a generic MSX BIOS that's just sufficient to launch most carts. No disk-rom nor BASIC re-implementation exist yet, so a default install of openMSX has no way to launch dsk files. You'll have to search those roms yourself (hint: google is your friend ).
If other emulator authors go into the legally gray zone, that's their choice.

While emulation itself is perfectly legal, spreading rom files without the permission of the copyright holders isn't. Therefore openMSX doesn't come with any of those roms for all those machines.
We provide a free (and white-room) recreation of a generic MSX BIOS that's just sufficient to launch most carts. No disk-rom nor BASIC re-implementation exist yet, so a default install of openMSX has no way to launch dsk files. You'll have to search those roms yourself (hint: google is your friend ).
If other emulator authors go into the legally gray zone, that's their choice.

Didn't Nishi give permission to distribute all roms (except for MSX BASIC, which is owned by Microsoft) freely:
https://www.msx.org/forum/msx-talk/general-discussion/my-mee...
?

In fact, it's no possible to separate the MSX-BASIC from the Bios and the firmwares are not concerned. So only the Disk-ROMs with the MSX-DOS and the Sub-ROMs are concerned.

However, it would be very surprising that a company to complain if its MSX firmware available for free download. And I don't think Microsoft would do it for MSX-Basic either.

Companies generally complain about recent or sold software (especially if they still sell them again or something similar) and especially when the company's image is used with possible ambiguity (cf. the case of Konamiman's site).

Slot Floppies Patch Notes

turbor wrote :
OpenMSX emulates +150 different MSX models. Which model do you exactly want to emulate?
Also if you use catapult to launch openMSX, you can easily do the same then as you do with ruMSX. Select your floppy station and then launch openMSX, it will use the dir-as-disk feature and you can read/write to your actual floppies if you want.
Or you can set up a simple bat file on your windows machine to launch MSX as you like.
Or maybe you can use the OnScreenDisplay menu of openMSX to select the drive?

Make a video and let us see how you swich one floppy after another in the pc floppydrive, like I did with RUMSX
With RuMSX nobody has to start something else than the emulator itselve. Wenn I install openMSX and click on the icon... nothing happens. How should I select a floppydrive? I have to study before I can do that. RuMSX does not need a catapult to start anything. RuMSX does not need a bat file at all. Just start RuMSX, choose to start with the A: drive and you are ready. No programming needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8RS7xdB7tI

There are plenty of reasons why this might fail. Cracks made for a Philips that do not work on a Sony were a common thing in the day. Trying a double side disk in a VG-8235 with a single sided drive will not work...
Try to run NOPS realmotion disks on a Turbo-R, it will not work!
Ofcourse if somebody creates a dsk file from a copy-protected disk, the copyprotection will not be correctly included in the dsk file and the software wil not work. Or worse it will give the impression of working and do some funny stuff(like XAK, if it detects an illegal copy it withholds certain items you need to advance in the game... )

Slot Floppies Patch

With the right menu, it doesn't matter if it is Sony or Philips. In the menu the right poke or peek is done automatically. I have a good menu on every floppy. It is stupid to try a ds flop in a ss drive. And it is stupid to try msx 2 in a msx 1 machine. There are thousands of games that work on a MSX 2 no matter wich model. MSX is a standard. If a dsk file doesn't work delete it and try one of the many alternatives that do work!

Larger game had extra bankswitching logic in its cartridge to handle the larger roms. So if you do not correctly emulate this behavior or alter (=patch/crack) the software then this perfectly dumped roms will not run on a real MSX. If the emulator has no support for the specific logic or it guesses an incorrect mappertype then it will not work.
So possible perfect real rom files you call incorrect?

A perfectly dumped rom that does not work on a real MSX machine? It only can work on a PC and that is a MSX rom?
A perfectly dumped rom works on a real MSX!!!

OpenMSX emulates +150 different MSX models. Which model do you exactly want to emulate?
Also if you use catapult to launch openMSX, you can easily do the same then as you do with ruMSX. Select your floppy station and then launch openMSX, it will use the dir-as-disk feature and you can read/write to your actual floppies if you want.
Or you can set up a simple bat file on your windows machine to launch MSX as you like.
Or maybe you can use the OnScreenDisplay menu of openMSX to select the drive?

MSX had only a few standards and not 150 diffent onces. It is tupid to emulate 150 different models. Emulating the few standards is enough. RuMSX is enough and does not need catapult or another program to work and bat files are not needed.

'm under the impression that you are shortsighted as to the vast amount of possible combinations of hardware there are in the MSX universe. You talk about MSX but your Youtube video's indicate that you actually talk about an unspecified MSX2 machine.

If you tell us the machine you want to emulate we can help you setup your configuration.

I'm under the impression that you believe there are no MSX standards and every game is made in 150 different ways for 150 different MSX computers. But that is not so! A MSX 1 game works on every MSX 1 and MSX 2 computer. With the right menu and loader it uses a poke or peek to work on Sony and Philips or... There is no game that works only on a specified MSX2 machine! It works on every MSX2 machine. Maybe openMSX can't emulate a MSX2 standard and openMSX does need to know on wich MSX machine the game must work. Perhaps openMSX cannot emulate a complete standard. But that is a shortcoming of openMSX. There are not 150 different dsk files for 150 different MSX computers. For a MSX 1 game, only one dsk file ios needed for MSX 1 and MSX 2 Wenn a dsk file does not work on a real MSX, there are plenty others that will work... delete them!

If you tell us the machine you want to emulate we can help you setup your configuration.

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With RuMSX there is no difficult configuration needed. Perhaps openMSX does need that? for every type MSX a different configuration and bat file? That is the reason for standards. That is why I use RuMSX

No disk-rom nor BASIC re-implementation exist yet, so a default install of openMSX has no way to launch dsk files. You'll have to search those roms yourself

Wenn I download a rom file or a dsk file, I can click on it and it will start with RuMSX, but with openMSX that seems to be impossible. RuMSX and blueMSX can launch dsk and rom files!!!

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Today I posted video's on youtube to show how RuMSX can make a dsk file from a real MSX floppy disk.
After that how that dsk file opens in RuMSX.
Create a dsk file from a physical MSX diskette with RuMSX
On another video I format a real diskette on pc, put the contents of a dsk file on that floppy disk and start it on a 8250 MSX computer.
RuMSX does not need Disk-Manager or other software and no programming bat files.
Format a floppy disk on PC in just a few minutes with RuMSX and copy Nemesis 1 from dsk to it.
Sometimes it is handy to have empty dsk files to write to or copy files to... with RuMSX that is easy.
Creating a dsk file with an empty diskette is child's play for RuMSX.

I am waiting for a video in which with openMSX one MSX diskette after another goes into the pc drive and works.
Without another program or bat file between each flop.
Prove that this is possible, or admit that RuMSX is unique and can do what every MSX can do.
Using real MSX diskettes on a PC with RuMSX One after the other in seconds.

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